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Post by wiche on Jan 28, 2010 18:07:59 GMT -5
How about a picture of my DT collection, nicely labeled and all I'm gonna rob u... xD
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Post by lukeduke on Jan 29, 2010 3:14:26 GMT -5
apparently this bald bitch got affected bad... he sent me a DM (Direct Message) and then blocked me! LOL... but, well... he stopped my plan! I'll need to go backstage and continue with that discussion someday at a gig! First of all, I think the same like you about Rudess' style of playing. But, why are you offending him? He's the new keyboardist and he has all the rights to play in his way what he wants to play, even KM's tracks. I think you went wrong writing that to him. And I think he has all the reason to block you.
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Post by wiche on Jan 29, 2010 3:46:45 GMT -5
apparently this bald bitch got affected bad... he sent me a DM (Direct Message) and then blocked me! LOL... but, well... he stopped my plan! I'll need to go backstage and continue with that discussion someday at a gig! First of all, I think the same like you about Rudess' style of playing. But, why are you offending him? He's the new keyboardist and he has all the rights to play in his way what he wants to play, even KM's tracks. I think you went wrong writing that to him. And I think he has all the reason to block you. yeah, maybe I was rude, but what? I don't like his play style and I have all the right to let him know that I hate the way he play Kev's arrangements... and he doesn't have the right to touch them... u can go thru life touching other people work... it just not right!
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Post by jessbrew on Feb 3, 2010 11:24:27 GMT -5
I agree. I would never touch someone else's creations and change them to fit my own style. Evil.
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Post by wiche on Feb 3, 2010 15:02:18 GMT -5
I agree. I would never touch someone else's creations and change them to fit my own style. Evil. thank you!
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Post by Mebert78 on Feb 6, 2010 9:31:10 GMT -5
How about a picture of my DT collection, nicely labeled and all I just noticed this. lol. wow. You should take DT fans omn a tour of your home for a small fee. It's like Disney World.
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Post by gjb on Mar 21, 2010 7:26:31 GMT -5
so searching for random twitter accounts I found Jordan Rudess twitter... and this is what he got as a reply from me: Seems pretty rude to me honestly. DT is not even close to the coolest thing KM has been a part of and i don't think he misses it much. Leave it to Jordan i'd say. I hope people don't head over to William DuVall's twitter and start churping him off too. Sometimes you can't have the original but what can you do. PS I would barf if Kevin took a step back to the DT cheese styles. Leave it in the past he has had such cooler ideas since he left. Sorry for the unrelated "Picture post" but i just hate seeing people getting dissed like that. Haven't been on for a long time but this site seemed like a place to embrace musical skills. I would love to hear the MP3s your "soul" pumps out since you seem to consider yourself an expert on the subject...just sayin. peace
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Post by worldengine on Mar 25, 2010 19:16:08 GMT -5
I don't think it's cool asking Jordan to stop playing the arrangements. First of all, that decision would be probably Portnoy's.
I'd find much worse to see Jordan remake arrangements for the great stuff that Kevin made.
And let's face, it's good stuff, but Kev got way better after that! His string patches on DT songs were close to unbearable!
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Post by worldengine on Mar 25, 2010 19:23:05 GMT -5
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Post by vivace on Mar 26, 2010 10:14:03 GMT -5
so searching for random twitter accounts I found Jordan Rudess twitter... and this is what he got as a reply from me: Seems pretty rude to me honestly. DT is not even close to the coolest thing KM has been a part of and i don't think he misses it much. Leave it to Jordan i'd say. I hope people don't head over to William DuVall's twitter and start churping him off too. Sometimes you can't have the original but what can you do. PS I would barf if Kevin took a step back to the DT cheese styles. Leave it in the past he has had such cooler ideas since he left. Sorry for the unrelated "Picture post" but i just hate seeing people getting dissed like that. Haven't been on for a long time but this site seemed like a place to embrace musical skills. I would love to hear the MP3s your "soul" pumps out since you seem to consider yourself an expert on the subject...just sayin. peace i like your take and tend to agree. Actually its funny i got some response from some random dude on youtube telling me "if you think nothing they have done without Moore is interesting go listen to an album called Octovarium"...i mean come on...i was never a HUGE DT fan boy--i really liked Awake and I&W-- but octovarium was like one of the WORST in my opinion....in fact that was the album i was so extremely disappointed with that i ripped open the cd liner and compared it to I&W noting that Moore had left hence i am here....but whatever i guess my taste is just COMPLETELY different from their current fans. They are clearly no longer making any attempt to be creative so i just dont listen to them anymore. Definitely not the right environment for Moore's very interesting vision... i think we just love some of the work he did in DT so much that without him the band can seem like a fraud but your right--Kevin has moved on we should to.
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Post by wiche on Mar 28, 2010 14:35:54 GMT -5
so searching for random twitter accounts I found Jordan Rudess twitter... and this is what he got as a reply from me: Seems pretty rude to me honestly. DT is not even close to the coolest thing KM has been a part of and i don't think he misses it much. Leave it to Jordan i'd say. I hope people don't head over to William DuVall's twitter and start churping him off too. Sometimes you can't have the original but what can you do. PS I would barf if Kevin took a step back to the DT cheese styles. Leave it in the past he has had such cooler ideas since he left. Sorry for the unrelated "Picture post" but i just hate seeing people getting dissed like that. Haven't been on for a long time but this site seemed like a place to embrace musical skills. I would love to hear the MP3s your "soul" pumps out since you seem to consider yourself an expert on the subject...just sayin. peace I don't actually think it's rude at all, waht is rude is him playing that shitty way Kev's work and changing things here and there... that's very gross and rude to me...I don't think it's cool asking Jordan to stop playing the arrangements. First of all, that decision would be probably Portnoy's. I'd find much worse to see Jordan remake arrangements for the great stuff that Kevin made. And let's face, it's good stuff, but Kev got way better after that! His string patches on DT songs were close to unbearable! that's why Jordan should stop playing it... it will never feel the same... and there are DT fans who actually that songs were written by Rudess ¬¬Seems pretty rude to me honestly. DT is not even close to the coolest thing KM has been a part of and i don't think he misses it much. Leave it to Jordan i'd say. I hope people don't head over to William DuVall's twitter and start churping him off too. Sometimes you can't have the original but what can you do. PS I would barf if Kevin took a step back to the DT cheese styles. Leave it in the past he has had such cooler ideas since he left. Sorry for the unrelated "Picture post" but i just hate seeing people getting dissed like that. Haven't been on for a long time but this site seemed like a place to embrace musical skills. I would love to hear the MP3s your "soul" pumps out since you seem to consider yourself an expert on the subject...just sayin. peace i like your take and tend to agree. Actually its funny i got some response from some random dude on youtube telling me "if you think nothing they have done without Moore is interesting go listen to an album called Octovarium"...i mean come on...i was never a HUGE DT fan boy--i really liked Awake and I&W-- but octovarium was like one of the WORST in my opinion....in fact that was the album i was so extremely disappointed with that i ripped open the cd liner and compared it to I&W noting that Moore had left hence i am here....but whatever i guess my taste is just COMPLETELY different from their current fans. They are clearly no longer making any attempt to be creative so i just dont listen to them anymore. Definitely not the right environment for Moore's very interesting vision... i think we just love some of the work he did in DT so much that without him the band can seem like a fraud but your right--Kevin has moved on we should to. Thank you! finally someone see what I'm trying to say!! =D
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Post by hmmm on Mar 31, 2010 15:00:47 GMT -5
DT is a poop band from KM's past. Let it die imo
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Post by Mebert78 on Mar 31, 2010 17:17:45 GMT -5
DT is a poop band from KM's past. Let it die imo lol. I actually think Derek and Jordan had a tough job. Whenever you replace a founding member at the band's peak, it's tough. I think they both did good jobs and are great musicians. I just prefer Kevin's style. I also still like DT alot. I wal karound in a DT hoodie and have a DT decal on my truck. But I think they need an outside producer to lend a fresh ear to their future release. No more JP/MP production.
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Post by Shelly on Sept 17, 2010 5:37:34 GMT -5
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Post by vivace on Sept 17, 2010 12:33:23 GMT -5
Wiche--what was the personal msg Jordan sent you by the way??
I think Rudess pretty much asked for it... Im sorry but if you go out there and insert simpsons theme songs into 20 minute prog epics to show off, you can expect to get some flack.
...Plus i applaud Wiche for writing that because a lot of people dont even know that Moore exists, it seems like DT tries their best to pretend like it was always Rudess ...sorry for Rudess it cant be all phrase all the time. And wev all heard so much unsolicited crap from MP and others insisting that Rudess is "by far the best keyboardist theyv ever had" ... Come on its not like Kevin doesnt get constantly agrivated by these very `polite' DT fans that continuously ask him about rejoining DT or criticize him for not wanting to come back and play SDV live...heck theres even some msgs asking him about portnoy etc.. on his Shine project page.
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Post by vivace on Sept 18, 2010 11:15:54 GMT -5
ACOTS is a circus song?? Well in some sense Jordan asked for it by simply taking the job...If you are going to try to fill the shoes of another artist then you are going to be open for criticism. And come on its not like 'hes just doing his job' like he took over for another plumber or something, there are a lot of emotions and other factors involved. Frankly i think you are the one that needs to lighten up... So what, Wiche doesnt like his renditions of Kevins songs, does he have to?? of course not. Well whats the big deal if he wants to express himself?? I think he feels its kind of insidious having Jordan perform these songs that he loved by Kevin. Maybe he just doesnt like it. Fine maybe its not hunky dory to tell someone they are ruining your favorite song, but then again hes probably upset at it having been ruined... So why doesnt a lot of people know that Kevin exists? umm I think thats because Kevin refuses to acknowledge his past and refuses to even be part of a DT book or any reunion shows so as far as DT are concerned he doesnt want to be counted and to me thats all Kevins doing and no one elses. Kevin took himself out of the loop and to blame DT for that is just crazy. Now this is the part where it gets a little crazy....whAT??? He made the decision to leave the band, hes not interested in being a part of it any more. But to say he refuses to acknowledge his past is just absurd! His name is right there in the credits. Look he doesnt want to be a part of DT but does that mean that he shouldnt be credited for the brilliant work he did ? Does that mean we should pretend that Jordan wrote those songs? Yea he was the one that left the band but a lot of what made people fall in love with DT was Kevin Moore and he deserves to be given fair credit for his creations.
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Post by justabaldguy on Sept 18, 2010 12:55:39 GMT -5
I'm not sure how long this argument should continue in the Picture Thread, but it's interesting to watch. People said the same about Metallica after Newstead joined on bass. The same about Pink Floyd after Waters left (or even earlier still when Syd was removed by Waters). Different people have different favorites in band members, that's a fact of life. Who's to say which musician drew more fans to the group? What would you have them do, stop playing a song because a member who wrote it left, was fired, or died? That would cripple DT now, they'd not have but one or two songs to play! :-)
I don't think it matters, and I don't think many of these guys (especially Kevin and Jordan) would want anyone fighting over this. Remember on the original KMO forums Kevin had an announcement asking us not to discuss/argue over the perceived "Moore fans vs Portnoy fans?" debates?
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Post by unalaguna on Sept 18, 2010 13:15:31 GMT -5
I'm not sure how long this argument should continue in the Picture Thread, but it's interesting to watch. People said the same about Metallica after Newstead joined on bass. The same about Pink Floyd after Waters left (or even earlier still when Syd was removed by Waters). Different people have different favorites in band members, that's a fact of life. Who's to say which musician drew more fans to the group? What would you have them do, stop playing a song because a member who wrote it left, was fired, or died? That would cripple DT now, they'd not have but one or two songs to play! :-) I don't think it matters, and I don't think many of these guys (especially Kevin and Jordan) would want anyone fighting over this. Remember on the original KMO forums Kevin had an announcement asking us not to discuss/argue over the perceived "Moore fans vs Portnoy fans?" debates? This. Jordan is going to play the songs differently to Kev, it's a fact of life. Would you rather Jordan were in the band, or that the band no longer existed? Other examples of bands that continued successfully after an important member left are AC/DC (would you whine at Brian Johnson for singing Bon Scott's songs slightly differently?), Porcupine Tree (are you furious Gavin Harrison plays Chris Maitland's drum parts slightly differently?), Genesis (Phil Collins singing Peter Gabriel's parts), Marillion (Steve Hogarth singing Fish's songs), Dio (Craig Goldy playing Vivian Campell's guitar solos), Opeth (Fred playing Peter's songs)... hell, if OSI toured without Sean Malone or Joey Vera, would you freak out at their bassist for playing Sean Malone or Joey Vera's bass parts slightly differently? I think a similar thing came up in an earlier thread. Sure, Jordan's no Kevin Moore, but he's still a very talented, creative guy, and same with Derek. Maybe you're reading this and think it's blasphemy; if so, maybe you should consider opening your mind a bit. And if you don't like it, well, just don't listen to it.
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Post by vivace on Sept 18, 2010 16:31:56 GMT -5
First of all to answer your question, i am entirely indifferent. To me they dont really exist any more because i never listen to them...which is also why i dont get at all worked up about it ...Wiche on the other hand seems to be a different story.
...I am just saying that I dont have a problem with Wiche expressing s distaste for the Rudess versions. Its an opinion...
Speaking of blasphemy and deifying...you are the ones that seem to be saying things like "how dare you post that to the Rudess!" And "Kevin would be very unhappy with you for speaking like this..."
really..it was just a critique maybe a bit harsh but in my opinion not to be unexpected.
Now as for Pink Floyd, yea that is a good example and my favorite album by "them" is Piper at the Gates of Dawn which is NOTHING like their other stuff because of course it was written by Syd. Do I appreciate the other albums? yes i happen to. I even like the Division Bell which was post Waters. I always feel a bit sad that Syd could not continue on and it makes me feel badly that he was upset by his ousting. But they continued on and brought us some cool stuff though none of it in my opinion nearly as interesting as Piper.
On the other hand Kevin isnt Syd, Portnoy is no Roger Waters and Rudess is no David Gilmour!
This argument is turning into another DT vs Kevin Moore thing...when its really not. They do their thing, Kevin does his thing MP spouts off every now and then about Kevin and Wiche says he doesnt like Rudesses version and i just dont think its that out of line...
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Post by justabaldguy on Sept 18, 2010 21:27:13 GMT -5
Other examples of bands that continued successfully after an important member left are AC/DC (would you whine at Brian Johnson for singing Bon Scott's songs slightly differently?), Porcupine Tree (are you furious Gavin Harrison plays Chris Maitland's drum parts slightly differently?), Genesis (Phil Collins singing Peter Gabriel's parts), Marillion (Steve Hogarth singing Fish's songs), Dio (Craig Goldy playing Vivian Campell's guitar solos), Opeth (Fred playing Peter's songs)... STELLAR list! In the shower I was thinking how horrible Sammy Hagar butchers David Lee Roth tunes ("Jump" in particular!). I don't care you listen to the bulk of them. Heck look at the Beach Boys, they've really gone through several line ups and it's never as good as they were with all the Wilsons. You're right Vivace, it's fine for Wiche or anyone to say they don't like something. Heck if you want to PM/email someone and ask them not to play a song go for it!! I was not trying to say that was wrong. I think the bands are trying to play songs we like and I applaud them for that, especially if they're doing their best with different members at different times. I keep hoping to hear 6:00 live at a DT show, and now with Portnoy in addition to Moore obviously being gone for years I'm not sure what it'll sound like. Still wanna hear it though!
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