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Post by wiche on Jun 24, 2009 19:33:40 GMT -5
since i have been arguing with some DT's fans that are claiming BC&SL as a superb job by the band (and i don't think so) i want your opinion of this... and i want you guys to be OBJECTIVE and tell the truth... i'll start with my opinion: Blood makes me vibrate and i can find some interesting and innovative stuff in the disc, the disc is more homogeneous than Free and Office Of Strategic Influence but there's still some new stuff in it and a lot of progression from their predecessors, in resume: OSI is innovating and experimenting with a lot of new stuff and i can say they're the next-gen prog music... on the other hand, BC&SL it's more of the same... unnecessary solos that just length the song, competition between Rudess and Petrucci to see who can play faster, lack-of-emotion, less progressive and more metal in their albums, and the same kind stuff they've been doing since Traing of Thought back in 2003... also BC&SL have awful lyrics... i really miss Myung writing songs... he can lift the lyrics level... but i don't know why the hell Portnoy doesn't allow him to do so...
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Post by gary on Jun 24, 2009 19:38:53 GMT -5
Musical opinion isn't an objective thing. A lot of people like music that makes them feel happy, or that makes them feel sad, or that makes them want to punch some nuns in the face. A lot of people actually enjoy music that shows off how many notes someone can play within a short space of time. You can't be objective or tell the truth about which album is better, same as you can't really be objective and tell the truth about which flavour of ice cream is better.
Despite that last comment, my household is split into two parts - disciples of vanilla, and chocolate loving dogs.
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Post by wiche on Jun 24, 2009 19:47:35 GMT -5
lol... i'm ok with the fast lighting-speed playing... but they have to compete to see who can play faster in every single song? that's where they turn repetitive and lack-of-ideas... back in 1992-1997 they did EPICS song with a meaning... now they're just lengthen the songs with that damn competition that's starting to pissing me off ¬¬... i have never been a fan of Rudess (besides LTE) and i still think that he's not the keyboardist that DT needs...
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Post by lukeduke on Jun 25, 2009 7:25:56 GMT -5
I vote for Blood. Definitely.
Astonishing
Interesting
Innovative
BC&SL is nothing new. Yesterday I listened to 6DOIT: I wish they can be able to do an albun like that...or like Metropolis pt.2....
But this is only a dream.....OSI is a reality!!!
;D
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Post by Mebert78 on Jun 25, 2009 8:53:43 GMT -5
Well, I think Blood is going to win hands-on down on this forum, because we love Kevin. I guess DT must be doing something right because they continue to grow in popularity. I don't get it. I think maybe if they took an extra 6 months or year to craft their songs and albums into something extra special that would be wise. Instead of getting a new DT album every 2 years, I'd rather wait a little longer and have perfection - lyrically and song-wise.
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Post by liquid on Jun 25, 2009 9:43:19 GMT -5
I knew Blood would be my album of the year the moment I heard the samples. I know that's a bit fanboyish, but those samples just reassured me that KM/JM still have it and won't compromise no matter what. As much as ANTR and TSF have grown on me, despite their numerous flaws, there's no way I'd rank DT's album in my top 10, let alone beat Blood (back like you)  |
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Post by Mebert78 on Jun 25, 2009 14:56:42 GMT -5
OK, i am now admitting that I enjoy "The Count of Tuscany," although I hate the lyrics. It's a good song musically, especially the beginning and end parts - the middle is iffy for me. It's shame the lyrics don't match the greatness level of the music. On the DT Forums, people don't seem sure whether the lyrics are a joke or not because they are soo bad and cheesy and seem like they were written in an hour.
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Post by perfey on Jun 28, 2009 17:37:53 GMT -5
I have to vote Blood because of the reasons already stated by Wiche, but I dont take DT so seriously DT anymore, I just try to enjoy what they're playing. And BC&SL I like quite a lot...but indeed I wonder how good they would have been if they kept Sherenian in the band instead of hiring Rudess. I think Sherenian fitted the band more the Rudess does, the playing he did on FII is amazing, all the patches and solos he did (of course Anna Lee, such a beautiful song).
If things have gotten as I would like it to gone. DT should have kept Sherenian and kept playing with Jordan in LTE only, that would been the perfect solution IMO.
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Post by wiche on Jun 29, 2009 3:04:33 GMT -5
I have to vote Blood because of the reasons already stated by Wiche, but I dont take DT so seriously DT anymore, I just try to enjoy what they're playing. And BC&SL I like quite a lot...but indeed I wonder how good they would have been if they kept Sherenian in the band instead of hiring Rudess. I think Sherenian fitted the band more the Rudess does, the playing he did on FII is amazing, all the patches and solos he did (of course Anna Lee, such a beautiful song). If things have gotten as I would like it to gone. DT should have kept Sherenian and kept playing with Jordan in LTE only, that would been the perfect solution IMO. |
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Post by Mebert78 on Jul 2, 2009 9:06:11 GMT -5
wow, BC&SL is in the top 10 albums in the U.S., according to Billboard. I think it's #6.
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Post by wiche on Jul 2, 2009 16:53:24 GMT -5
wow, BC&SL is in the top 10 albums in the U.S., according to Billboard. I think it's #6. |
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Post by Mebert78 on Jul 2, 2009 17:43:58 GMT -5
Yea, DT is up there with like Eminem, Kanye West, Miley Cirus, etc. I guess it's a good album. I don't know. I don't like it that much, but that's because I've seen DT create GREAT music. This album is just eh.
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Post by Annie on Jul 3, 2009 1:35:29 GMT -5
lol dt being in the top 10 is hilarious. i dont think you can compare blood to their new cd, seriously. the styles are pretty different and well, it's like comparing shakira with beethoven.. plus, being in a kevin moore forum, OBVIOUSLY blood is going to win that pool! |
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Post by vivace on Jul 4, 2009 12:22:24 GMT -5
BC&SL--
Its all just too formulaic and contrived for me im afraid. To quote some random youtube posters:
"i think their slowly finding the right compromise between "metallica"+"commercial"+"prog roots" "
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"I just can't see what people think is so great about this. It's total cheese. Sounds something like Malmsteen covers My Chemical Romance. "
pretty much captures my sentiment, and the lyrics are pretty damned weak.
The cover of Larks Tongues, they turn it into elevator music. Its like they are saying "oo look we are really progressive and experimental, see we can even cover King Crimson!!" ...i suppose some would say 'well they are paying homage..etc..' but err isnt that what they said about Octovarium?? Their magic and creativity left with Moore, and i suppose Sheranian who must have been the prime composer of SFAM their only interesting album since Moore. They can cover King Crimson but are in NO danger of being regarded as their successors.
Anyhhow besides which Blood is just such a fantastic album, and i think it would take something along the lines of Awake to make me pause in consideration.
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Post by delicatesounds on Jul 7, 2009 23:58:53 GMT -5
As much of a Kevin Moore fanatic as i am.. I have to give the nod to BC&SL
Blood has its moments, but theres some songs i just have to pass.. unlike BC&SL which is listenable all the way through
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Post by wiche on Jul 8, 2009 2:05:37 GMT -5
As much of a Kevin Moore fanatic as i am.. I have to give the nod to BC&SL Blood has its moments, but theres some songs i just have to pass.. unlike BC&SL which is listenable all the way through |
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Post by vivace on Jul 8, 2009 9:26:07 GMT -5
As much of a Kevin Moore fanatic as i am.. I have to give the nod to BC&SL Blood has its moments, but theres some songs i just have to pass.. unlike BC&SL which is listenable all the way through which songs?? |
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Post by samsara on Jul 9, 2009 17:10:59 GMT -5
I like about half of Blood (I prefer the heavier stuff on the record, and all OSI records). Dream Theater's new one is ok, but they just have tailed off in a direction I'm not fond of.
But as Mike said, I guess they must be doing something right, because they continue to get more successful with every record.
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Post by vivace on Jul 9, 2009 17:16:37 GMT -5
I like about half of Blood (I prefer the heavier stuff on the record, and all OSI records). Dream Theater's new one is ok, but they just have tailed off in a direction I'm not fond of. But as Mike said, I guess they must be doing something right, because they continue to get more successful with every record. well i mean they have it down to a formula now. Current DT fans want to hear the shredding. Basically there is a market for what they do. If they could however somehow come up with something on the level of pull me under again i think they would be much more successful even than they are now. But i dont think that can happen. |
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