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Post by vivace on Feb 23, 2012 14:37:05 GMT -5
Ok i was really tired the other night but couldnt sleep and just needed a distraction, so i started watching that show 'the voice' which was on...
I think what i found so curious about it is how it highlights the complete lack of artistry and creativity in the pop culture these days. I guess there are minor stylistic things the singers do but there is really no improvisation going on....and its like these desperate contestants just start singing their poor hearts out for these `judges' who are supposed to be super rock stars who just sit there with their backs to them listening and every once in a while deem someone as worthy and then TURN AROUND in all this magnificence. Its a little disgusting.
Can you imagine John Lennon or Jimi Hendrix or Jim Morrison or Neil Young or any actual artist ever participating in such a thing as a `judge'??
Anyway at one point i imagined what would happen if Kevin jumped up there. My favourite singer...im sure he would just get panned...luckily he doesnt need to.
kinda sad..in this day and age a lot of people are singing their guts out for judges that just dont turn around ...even when it sounds pretty darn good...
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Post by Zero on Feb 23, 2012 23:02:30 GMT -5
I believe that Glenn Gould once commented that 'competitionitis' was, "an infection not only debilitating to performers and audience but detrimental and antipathetic to the spirit of music." ("The menace of the competitive idea is that through its emphasis upon consensus, it extracts that mean, indisputable, readily certifiable core of competence and leaves its eager, ill-advised suppliants forever stunted, victims of a spiritual lobotomy.") One wonders what he would think about the modern competition, with its emphasis upon humiliation and home entertainment. Really, at a certain point these just stop being so much a matter of music as of 'reality TV.'
What I've heard of this show makes it sound pretty bad as far as that goes, with a pretty large emphasis on the singers' desperately attempting to convince some people to pick them. That doesn't exactly seem to me to be an atmosphere particularly conducive to, well, art in general. Individuality and personality in artists are fairly rare commodities as it is, and these kinds of things don't seem to help. I mean, the overall industry can be bad enough in that aspect, as far as major record companies and such go, but making it a staged scenario on public television is a bit far. As you say, I'm not sure why artists who were in music for the sake of music would want to 'judge' these kinds of things.
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Post by jono on Feb 26, 2012 14:48:19 GMT -5
Celo and Christina Aguilara are amazing vocalists. I will never deny that. That show, however is a farce just like any other talent show on primetime.
My wife watches it and sometimes I get slightly interested. They've had some very unlikely candidates come through. Sometimes I'm a little surprised by it.
It's also an interesting concept if think of it in the right way. These Judges who, at least a couple, have great talent can't see the person on stage. Looks have nothing to do with it as far as they're concerned. They choose to turn around and face the the singer if they want them on their "team." If more than one turns they then have to convince the singer to pick them. Ultimately making the judged the judge. Unfortunately these people have to go through producers before they're even seen on stage. This way they get people from either end of the spectrum and no one in between as far as looks goes. Plus the whole idea loses all of its credibility because it's produced by huge television syndicates.
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Post by unalaguna on Feb 26, 2012 16:19:43 GMT -5
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Post by jono on Feb 26, 2012 17:10:06 GMT -5
I dunno man, the dude goes office space on Ipods. I'm not sure I want to hear his opinions on what he thinks about pop idol culture.
He made some comment about the "Ipod generation" and how no one listens to albums all the way through anymore because they can put their ipod on shuffle.
Who would ever want to have something they can put their whole music collection on that fits in their pocket? Not me! (sarcasm)
I use an MP3 player and generally listen to albums start to finish even still.
Edit: I spoke too soon and should have takn your word for he it. He was spot on. HE's come of as super pretentious in other interviews I've heard so I try to avoid his interviews. Porcupine Tree is one of my favorite bands too!
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Post by arthur42 on Apr 8, 2012 22:27:52 GMT -5
Steven Wilson does seem to harbor a great deal of bitterness towards the music industry, which I guess I can understand. But I'm not sure the music biz was really much more "authentic" in ages past. There has been bland pop for the masses in every decade. And it's also strange that Steven Wilson complains about the music world when he's in one of the most successful bands in his genre (progressive rock/metal) of all time. He's a legend and the music industry didn't prevent him from getting there.
Still the same, he's right on about the music industry attempting to regain control after the '90s. That's exactly what they're doing.
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