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Post by vivace on Aug 17, 2010 23:10:51 GMT -5
great Mebert thanks for the links! definitly gonna check it out when i get a chance this weekend. Kind of nice that we finally got somewhere with the lyrics in at least one song....thanks to freakbag that is.
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Post by sknowbird on Aug 18, 2010 0:00:11 GMT -5
Wow you guys! Excellent snooping around work vivace! That really is pretty incredible the parallels between Kevin's lyrics and this sailor's story...unreal! Thanks for all the links too. And I emphatically agree with aaamiri. Someday a Kevin lyrics-compendium would really be necessary. HAHAHA Like Mebert said awhile ago...there was an interview Kevin did ages ago where someone asked him about how he came up with words for his music. He basically said (paraphrasing) that he hummed along with the tune and pretty much came up with words that went along with it off the top of his head! Maybe nonsensical at times but lyrics nonetheless. He even remarked that the songs are not meant to mean really anything. So take that for what it's worth! That interview was in early CK days, I think, or YGN era.. It's kind of hard to believe that nowadays tho. I mean w/ the subject matter from OSI which are almost all very relevant to current events. And without doubt, Graveyard Mountain Home. That being melody lines and words befitting the movie scenes themselves.. Anyway, this "freakbag" is one pretty FREAKIN' kewl guy/gal with some invaluable song info.-- that's for sure!!
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Post by unalaguna on Aug 18, 2010 14:23:02 GMT -5
there was an interview Kevin did ages ago where someone asked him about how he came up with words for his music. He basically said (paraphrasing) that he hummed along with the tune and pretty much came up with words that went along with it off the top of his head! Maybe nonsensical at times but lyrics nonetheless. He even remarked that the songs are not meant to mean really anything. So take that for what it's worth! That interview was in early CK days, I think, or YGN era.. I think I've read the interview you're referring to (on the old CK website, Kev's lyric commentary for You Go Now), but he's definitely said that he made an effort to make the lyrics on Blood mean something. He specifically describes the lyric-writing process for Blood here: www.madeloud.com/articles/interviews/madeloud-interview-jim-matheos-and-kevin-moore-osi
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Post by vivace on Aug 18, 2010 15:38:52 GMT -5
my impression was that the lyrics of Blood were kind of meant to be accessible for someone other than himself where as usually they arent. However this doesnt mean they are usually meaningless...
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Post by Mebert78 on Aug 18, 2010 15:50:08 GMT -5
By the way, here's the trailer of the Crowhurst documentary for those that don't want to spend an hour and a half watching it:
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Post by vivace on Aug 20, 2010 16:00:51 GMT -5
wow this does look great. Cant wait to relax and watch the 90 minute documentary.
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Post by jono on Aug 29, 2010 16:12:57 GMT -5
Its on Netflix streaming if anyone wants to watch it.
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Post by jessbrew on Aug 30, 2010 14:49:39 GMT -5
Watched it on netflix, VERY interesting story, but I don't think it proves anything at all. Moore could have gotten his inspiration with this story, and that would be really neat if he had, but I don't see how we could be sure. Listening to Even the Waves makes me think of this story now as well!
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Post by vivace on Aug 30, 2010 23:37:04 GMT -5
Watched it on netflix, VERY interesting story, but I don't think it proves anything at all. Moore could have gotten his inspiration with this story, and that would be really neat if he had, but I don't see how we could be sure. Listening to Even the Waves makes me think of this story now as well! errr---lets take a look at the lyrics I dont think anyone is trying to prove anything. I mean it fits like a glove...it is certainly an elegant explanation. Also I have really discovered that the story is not obscure at all. Many people have seen the documentary and are familiar with the story(even if they havent heard OSI or Kevin Moore). Even the Waves is a little tricky because there is a lot of like Bible references which cant be as directly connected.
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Post by jessbrew on Aug 31, 2010 7:51:03 GMT -5
I didn't say I thought it was directly connected, I said the song makes me think of the story now As far as radiologue, anyone can interpret a song and a story in different ways. I don't agree that it fits like a glove, but what does it matter? Until KevMo himself sets it straight, we can only speculate.
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Post by vivace on Aug 31, 2010 23:49:24 GMT -5
what i like about Freakbags explanation is that it accounts for all of the lyrics. I am curious if you disagree then what part? Of course you can interpret a song in different ways but then i have to ask how does your interpretation account for the lines: I was dreaming I was heading west thirty days faster Had a fever woke up in a sweat bailing out the water i really like Kevins lyrics but a lot of the time i find them kind of like blurry watercolors. I sort of see imagines and they conjure various ideas but on the other hand they could have very specific messages that im just not getting. In my books at least Radiologue is one of those. Up till i saw freakbags post on the other forum i had it categorized along with `even the waves' some sort of boat images , waves... anyhow im just rambling but i love trying to decipher the lyrics.
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Post by arthur42 on Sept 10, 2010 18:36:33 GMT -5
That Crowhurst story is a dead ringer. I was skeptical at first but good heavens, it really does sound like a poetic interpretation of the story. If Kevin didn't intend this connection then I would be very, very surprised. Bravo vivace for finding that.
It's a really interesting story about Crowhurst. It's not hard to sympathize with the poor guy. Slowly driving himself insane, alone in the middle of the sea, trying to deceive the whole world. How awful and sad.
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Post by Mebert78 on Dec 13, 2010 20:14:10 GMT -5
Well, I think I have another "Radiologue" break through. You know how when Blood first came out some of us wondered why the song title was spelt "radiologue" and not "radio log"? We never really figured that out. Personally, I thought it was just a fancier cooler way to write it and I didn't look any further than that. Then, once the Donald Crowhurst comparisons popped up, I thought "radiologue" was maybe the British spelling of the word. Anyway, I'm listening to sports radio today and the Mets general manager responds to a question by using the word "ideologue" in his answer. Call me naive, but I never knew of that word before. But I immediately connected it to the song "Radiologue." Maybe Kevin spelt "radio log" as "radiologue" because he was making a connection to this word. I can't find any other words that end in "ogue." Here's a description of a political ideologue: www.americanthinker.com/2010/02/whos_an_ideologue.html. Basically, it's defined as someone who acts in accordance with a well-thought-out, coherent worldview, informed by bedrock values and dedicated to specific goals. So, now that we've made this connection, what is Kevin trying to tell us? We all know that OSI music has some political overtones. Even the previous song "We Come Undone" has audio samples about war. Well, since he throws the radio log messages overboard in the song and says he goes "any way that the wind blows," maybe he's saying that ideology is a waste of time. Just do your own thing. Idk. I need to brainstorm further.
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Post by Kevin Moore on Dec 13, 2010 22:25:19 GMT -5
keep guessing ;-)
KM
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Post by Mebert78 on Dec 13, 2010 23:22:14 GMT -5
Hey. Do me a favor and check your PMs. I just need to verify who this is, because we've have a dude impersonate KM in the past. The IP address doesn't seem to be the right location and the email address is different from the one you usually use, so I'm skeptical. But you never know. OK, thanks.
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Post by gimble on Dec 14, 2010 9:07:22 GMT -5
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Post by arthur42 on Dec 14, 2010 13:02:47 GMT -5
I've done an extensive wordprint analysis of these two words to determine whether Kevin Moore is indeed the author. I used the latest nearest shrunken centroid methods developed at Stanford University to compute a standardized centroid for each class in the message. Notice the lack of capitalization at the beginning and the wink emoticon used as ending punctuation. "keep guessing" was analyzed against word patterns randomly sampled from 10 Kevin Moore songs, using a random number generator next to a Ouija board. A multivariate analysis of variance method was used to compare the shrunken centroids and a result was calculated from that method. The results were that the author of the post is 53% likely to be Kevin Moore, with a 20-30 point margin of error.
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Post by Mebert78 on Dec 14, 2010 13:13:21 GMT -5
I just determined that it wasn't Kevin. While his posts last nigth came from a Massachusset IP address, he just posted something a few minutes ago that came from the same IP address as the Portnoy imposter from a few months ago. The same city and everything. So I banned him. He won't be able to make any new accounts. Damn, I was kinda excited that Kevin would be posting here. Oh well!
Anyway, let's discuss my "Radiologue" analysis from above! I think Iwas onto something!
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Post by vivace on Dec 14, 2010 13:55:13 GMT -5
yea its something to consider. Radiologue is apparently the french spelling of radiologist...but in the song hes singing 'radio log'. Maybe this is his way of making a connection between someone like Crowhurst lost at sea and like a patient in a hospital getting an MRI ??
getting an MRI does feel a little like being lost at sea...your isolated in a tube for 30+ minutes hearing this machine make these strange somewhat disturbing radiological noises and you are sort of dependant on the radiologist to tell you that everything is OK periodically through some sort of speaker inside the machine... Otherwise it seems like you might just get lost in there.
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Post by Niop on Dec 14, 2010 16:59:49 GMT -5
As a non-native english speaker i always thought, that it's a combination of "radio" and "monologue". Niop
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